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Comment by Oshi on December 13, 2011 at 1:34pm

Hi Linda - We are going to do an experiment on this right now!

Comment by Linda on December 13, 2011 at 1:12pm

So would I be able to buy the song from AO, delete it, buy it from amazon, delete it, then buy it from iTunes and any other outlets, all from the same computer/account?

Comment by Oshi on December 13, 2011 at 2:54am

Hi Barb! Sorry I missed your call???? WUT? I slept from 7 - 9?? You are right...The Gifting doesn't count as a sale until the recipient downloads it. The formula is, I believe - If charged to your credit card = Sale! Yes, you may use me as a test drive! lol Night night! Hope I can sleep???

Comment by Barbls on December 13, 2011 at 1:32am

Hi Carly, Since I just tested this I can answer. Yes, it means they are different iTunes accounts. Every time you purchase under an account the song/sale gets added to that account. if you switch to another account (different e-mail and credit card) that purchase goes under that account. What is great is that you can do it on the same computer. I don't know how many accounts you can create on one computer.

I never heard of a presale for a single!!

Hopefully, Adam's single will be on iTunes in the top 10 for a long time!!

Next have to see if gifting at Amazon this way will work!!

Comment by Barbls on December 13, 2011 at 1:20am

Oshi, I was always told that a gift sent is not counted as a sale until the recipient of the gift downloads the music. i think that is when your credit card is charged.  I am going to gift you 3 of the same songs tomorrow. Something you already have downloaded and see if it works. Is this ok with you? By the way i skyped you earlier and now know why you did not pickup!!

Comment by carly.nyc on December 13, 2011 at 1:14am

oshi -- too much excitement :)

B assume the diff emails with diff credit cards means they are diff itunes accounts, correct? each account has the name of the email? if that works, might keep a lot of us very busy buying!

still my Q (well 2 now): first, won't this just be on itunes for some period of time? second, is there ever pre-sale of a single?

Comment by Oshi on December 13, 2011 at 1:08am

I love all the brainstorming and really creative thinking going on here! This is what I know....If iTunes accepts your money for a song...It MUST count towards sales. So if I send BTIKM 3 times to one person, and each time they charge my account...then it was a sale!!! If I receive the message - You have already purchased this song, but may download it again for free...The "Free" is not a sale. I LOVE the idea you guys have of making lists and emailing the download to each other! Fabulous! one I get all the info about iTunes USA and Amazon USA ...I will write it all up for the ATabs and to send out in a Twitlonger! So great to see you Carly, Radar, and Lindajean! Thanks for answering my questions. I fell asleep for like 2 hours. That's why I wasn't joining the conversation! Weird...I never fall asleep this time of day!

Comment by Barbls on December 13, 2011 at 12:52am

OK Tested this. on one computer I have 2 different accounts (different e-mails and different credit cards) and was able to download same song twice. First time using one account and then changing my account to the other setup and going back and downloading the second.

The next test will be gifting to someone. i am going gift someone 3 times with the same song and see if they can download 3 times. the added test is that they will have already downloaded the song. If this works we can do groups of 3 and end up downloading the single 10 times. Will let you know tomorrow whether it works or not!!

Comment by carly.nyc on December 13, 2011 at 12:26am

i would be really surprised if multiple emails does the trick. let's say as an adam fan i have the usual 5 or 10 or more emails for voting and general noise making about his fabulousness. i still have only one itunes library. it will know if it already has the song -- gift or not gift. if 5 of you send me 5 more copies of what i already have bought for myself, but to different emails, i think that's a no go in terms of the charting we are looking for at the getgo. --  possible the software is not sophisticated enough to read this way, but unlikely IMO. worth testing, of course. hmm OTOH, if each of those emails had ITS OWN itunes account to download to/associated with it -- that might stand a chance  -- even using the same computer. different computers with diff IP addresses and the same itunes acc't? well in the past, tho i have bought regardless of what it told me, i have downloaded the song on 5 computers, but each time sent the message that i already owned it. yes, need to try new itunes accounts possibly -- whataya think?

fans gifting fans who they know want the music but can't buy it for whatever reason is always going to be a great methodology on all levels. gifting everyone you know that you can be assured will download it -- also very solid. perhaps we should let friends know in advance, once we know when the song will be available, so they will make sure to open the sent mail. i've had friends who had no idea that music was being offered when they received music as an itunes gift. for some, it became spam (that was 2 years ago, i hope things have changed). 

i'm sure you guys are way ahead of me, as you've prob been thinking about this for awhile. i'm still stuck on wiki :( would much rather revert to inquiring about this kind of thing on the journey forward!

i asked this before but haven't we been told that it is going exclusively to itunes first? if so, question is for how long.

Comment by RadarEcho on December 12, 2011 at 11:24pm

yep that is exactly what I was thinking -- you read my mind?  ha ha

Comment by Barbls on December 12, 2011 at 11:12pm

RadarEcho Sorry i did not make myself clear. i had already privately messaged Oshi and Lindajean about the idea of gifting each other the single before i saw your comment. When I saw your comment it was as if you had read my mind. We have to think of a way to be able to buy multiple to ensure great sales for Adam's new single. i think this could be a really a good way. Fans gifting fans. Going to test to see if we can gift to someone even though they have already downloaded a copy. Then see if I can gift multiple times to the same person. If we can each do this, it is a work around to downloading multiple copies!!

Comment by RadarEcho on December 12, 2011 at 10:57pm

Barbls, messaged where?  I don't see one.

Comment by Barbls on December 12, 2011 at 10:27pm

Oshi, weighing in as usual!! You can send an iTunes gift Card to any e-mail account the recipient gives you, it does not have to be the e-mail address they use at iTunes.

Comment by Lindajean139 on December 12, 2011 at 10:20pm

Oshi.........when you join iTunes you have to have an email address to sign up with. A lot of people don't want to accept iTunes gifts thinking that if the donor has their iTune email account they can be hacked. However, the receipent can provide any email address they want. I personally tried this.

Comment by milkywayfairy on December 12, 2011 at 10:06pm

I can test Canada iTunes, how do I know whether they count one or all downloads?

Comment by Barbls on December 12, 2011 at 10:01pm

RadoEcho, great minds think alike. i just messaged you Oshi and Lindajean, about starting a list of fans that would want to be a part of this. We can download our one copy and then gift to as many people on the list as you can afford to do. I don't think iTunes or Amazon can keep you from receiving gifts!!!

Comment by Oshi on December 12, 2011 at 9:59pm

Hi Lindajean - In you iTunes Giting Instrictions is this sentence:

NOTE: You do NOT need the recipients iTune email address. They can give you any email address they are using.

I really don't understand what this means...Could you please clarify and simplify, for ppl like me!!

Comment by RadarEcho on December 12, 2011 at 9:57pm

can we gift to the same person multiple times? ? We could give it to each other  .... if not enough others to gift to around

Comment by Oshi on December 12, 2011 at 9:54pm

Can we find a site with unlimited downloading? Barb is experimenting with Amazon....I'll try Rhapsody.

Comment by Lindajean139 on December 12, 2011 at 9:36pm

It's more important than ever for people not to rip. Unfortunately at the first leak Adam fans pass links around amongst each other or post the song on YouTube which is even worst.

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